Jenna . As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. 38, 31-32). "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. Is this success? Firstly in the teaching. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. What am I gonna do? My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. Name me one church that has handled everything well. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Opinion Preston Clegg. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. 3. Really? One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? It was not an accusation, nor an attack. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. New International Version The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! pokmon the series xyz. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? 1. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. They drift from church to church. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. What is there to apologise for? Because he is a pastor? He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Pastor / Teacher. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. I know the drill. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? Matt. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Fox News Flash top headlines are here. PS. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. Truth in love. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. All rights reserved. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Could you tell me the difference? Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! rm. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. Period. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. PPS. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". as there are with me. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Marantha! On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. I did read your comments. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. I'm a bank robber."[41]. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? End of Discussion. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Your email address will not be published. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. Regards. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. 4, 3-4). Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. I find this very revealing. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. And lets talk about finance. Can I suggest an alternative standard? MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. 23,12! In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." 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